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Thoughts On "All That Is"
By Kirk Bays 

Here's a big quote from "The Seth Material" by Jane Roberts that I read the other day and that blew my mind. Chapter 18, The God Concept.

"When I speak of All That Is, you must understand my position within It. All That Is knows no other. This does not mean there may not be more to know. It does not know whether or not other psychic gestalts like It may exist. It is not aware of them if they do exist. It is constantly searching. It knows that something else existed before Its own primary dilemma when It could not express Itself. It is conceivable, then, that It has evolved, in your terms, so long ago that It has forgotten It's origin, that It has developed from still another Primary which has -again, in your terms- long since gone It's way. So there are answers I cannot give you, for they are not known anywhere in the system in which we have our existence. We do know that within this system of our All That Is, creation continues and developments are never still. We can deduce that on still other layers of which we are unaware, the same is true."

Basically what I want to know is, 'ATI knows no other... this does not mean there is not more to know...' Well how can then be if it's ATI? The entire session was mind boggling, talking about _nonbeing_ and the like... but this especially, because the... well, assumptions from Seth as he says this are extraordinary. For instance that other _All That Is's_ could exist of which ours doesn't know of. Doesn't that defy the definition of All That Is? And that it could forget it's origin... isn't that origin happening, now? Can't it relive it as it lives/ relives our own lives through us? And that something else 'went it's own way' and that we can't find it, or even know if it exists.... what a mindfuck.

It knows that something else existed before itself... something that in essence it was spawned from. Something of which we aren't a part of now. Now, I thought that All That Is represented, literally, every infinite of conceivable expression. That without time for a beginning or an end, and with infiniteness within itself to explore, and the exploration of itself was the purpose of itself which would take up infinite or no time. And that that was all there is... because it was by definition all that could be. How could it be any other way?

Of course I guess that within every possible expression within an infinite there could be psychic gestalts that didn't know each other and were basically gods... but then, they would only be parts of a greater All That Is on a grander scale that didn't know each other, like we purposefully ignore parts of ourselves, right? Fine, but wouldn't Seth understand that? Wouldn't he deduce that? Why would he choose to believe in this instead? And the way he says it, like 'this is the way it is and it's unchangeable...' wouldn't there be other ways it could be? other options, probabilities? Of course his All That Is contained within it all probabilities, but what about the probability that if there is something else then our All That Is finds/ knows it? If it's conceivable then it's true right? Every possible expression exists? And if so then through that possibility ATI would know this other... and Seth says it doesn't. But it still searches ... but if it's ever to find it in the 'future', then it already would have found it because the 'future' is now, and there is no 'future', right?

Or is Seth saying that every possible expression of things hasn't been played out yet? That there is still things, futures, unexplored, things not yet done? But how can this be with an infinite being and simultaneous time? Have I thoroughly confused everyone that read this far or just myself? Is anyone else as baffled as me?

Kirk Bays    asnus@coinet.com